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  Scriptures that now have such a different meaning?!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.

  when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!

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  Why they are terrified of JWs visiting apostate sites:

  "The first to state his case [[Watchtower]] seems right, Until the other party [[the apostate]] comes and cross-examines him." - Proverbs 18:17

  Their prolific publishing and studying of Watchtower literature is not healthy according to Ecclesiastes 12:12:

  "... To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh." - Ecclesiastes 12:12

  Their haughty attitude of comparing themselves to other religions so as to exalt themselves as the truth and condemn the others as nothing, is condemned by Jesus at Luke 18:9-14.

  They love to misuse Proverbs 4:18 to justify their prolific history of changing errors but 2 Timothy 3:7 is more pertinent:

  "always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth." - 2 Timothy 3:7

  The gullible willingness of JWs to accept any and every changed teaching promulgated by Watchtower:

  "... children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes." - Ephesians 4:14

  They love to cite Matthew 23:9 to condemn Christendom's use of the title "Father", but are hypocritically blind to how their having a group of brothers called a "Governing Body" violates the spirit of Jesus' words in the very next verse:

  "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ." - Matthew 23:10

  99.9+% of JWs reject the heavenly hope and they discourage persons they study with, from having the heavenly hope:

  “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in." - Matthew 23:13

  And I'm only just getting started ... don't get me started ...
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  Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?

  by kpop in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.

  after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.

  " shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .

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  dubstepped: "... the thought of losing my life ..."

  You need to come to grip with the fact that it's not real. It's just a figure of speech. I know you know that on a conscious level. But do you know it on a subconscious level? You'll never lose your life - no one loses their life. You only lose the life of loved ones that die. Only the living lose lives. Losing something means having the experience of being deprived of it. The dead experience nothing therefore they don't lose anything. Death doesn't harm the dead. It only harms the living - those who lose loved ones in death and those who needlessly worry about their own future death because of the psychological torture of the figurative phrase "losing your life".
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  RC 2017

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  due to last years success, i will post everything related to the 2017 regional convention in this thread.. to start us off.... thanks to exjw reddit user ich3b we have advance notice of the theme (this is not a joke!).

  the theme for the 2017 regional convention is: "don’t give up!” .

  as always, if you have access to confidential materials you would like to leak but need to protect your identity, pm me or email me: wifibandit1 (at) gmail.

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  Based on the theme, the drama and the sunday afternoon talk, it looks like this is going to be one of those "armageddon is nigh" conventions that will stir up more hype and expectation among the JWs about the end being very, very, very near, just around the corner, like one Trump blunder away.
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  Sister at Kingdom Hall visibly upset "they took jehovahs name out of song"

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  i went to meeting today and the sister in front of me was upset song 134 now song 139 no longer contains jehovahs name.

  they took it out.

  i never even noticed .

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  Tom honest the previous line was appalling. It always seemed to me that the gb was giving the "living god" a pat on the head "Jehovah our God, how well you have done!"
  How can you be arrogant enough to patronise your creator?

  I was thinking along the same lines.
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  How Old Was Eve When She Was Tempted?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has this question ever been answered by wt or biblical apologetic?.

  if near the beginning of her creation, would she not have had the effective development of a a toddler or even a baby?.

  if so, would you sentence a toddler or a baby to death for grabbing an appealing candy from a bowl?.

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  Based on the story, it's clear that Adam and Eve's ages were only numbers and didn't truly reflect their physical and mental development. They were created as adults with adult bodies and adult minds. The bible does not say they did not have intercourse before being expelled. Mention of sexual intercourse is only for the purpose of introducing offspring into the story. Eve didn't have offspring before the expulsion and that's the reason why it isn't mentioned that they had sex then, but the lack of such mention doesn't mean they didn't have sex - it only means Eve didn't get pregnant.
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  Poll - Will you accept blood?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

  *oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

  i will post the new one .

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  I'm with Cofty. I have no religious objections to blood but blood transfusions are not without risk so I can't say I'll accept all blood treatments which could mean accepting unnecessary blood treatments - and hence unnecessary risk - for non-life-threatening conditions. I will accept blood in a life-threatening emergency and/or if there aren't safer effective alternatives available to treat my medical situation. So I voted "some". The poll could have had more choices to get a more nuanced input of XJWs' feelings on the matter. I feel like the choice I chose does not fully express my view.
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  Evaluation of my dream..Give it a shot..

  by James Mixon in

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  2. friends

  i'am chased by monsters and jw's, i turn and confront the whole gang and they all embrace me.lol.

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  You feel inundated by various stresses both from JWs and other people but long for meaningful, stress-free, relationships?
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  AI on the cusp of tremendous breakthroughs

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what does this mean for us as individuals and our civilization?

  harris, kurzweil, and musk among others have some interesting thoughts on the subject.

  as do shows like westworld.

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  I think the biggest breakthrough applications we will see in widespread use in the near future would be:

  • Self-driving cars.
  • Medical diagnosis and treatment.
  • Real-time translation of live speech from one language to another while mimicking the speaker's voice.
  • Forecasting - weather, fashion, social trends, etc.
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  If one is associting with what org call bad association

  by poopie in

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  despite repeated counsel and it's willful and voluntary wouldn't that be brazen conduct calling for judicial comitee?

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  Island Man

  No. Brazen conduct is not merely disobeying the elders despite repeated counsel. Brazen conduct is not about how often one is breaking the rules. It's about how you break the rules.

  For example, let's say a JW repeatedly watches porn in the privacy of his home, despite being repeatedly counseled by the elders. Not brazen conduct. But let's say the JW openly invites other JWs to come watch porn with him, or let's say he brags to other JWs about watching porn. That's brazen conduct. Brazen conduct is when you break the rules very openly without any shame or guilt, maybe even encouraging others to join with you in breaking the rules.

  But it has been said time and again that you can be called to a JC for brazen conduct if your local elders have it in for you or aren't very knowledgeable of Watchtower rules on the matter of what constitutes brazen conduct.
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  Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wow.

  wow.

  wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.

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  I wouldn't make a big deal about it with a JW because it was before his conversion and their own bible talks about people being drunkards, fornicators, thieves, etc before conversion.

  It might be interesting though, to find out what were the beliefs and/or practices of the Kinghts of Pythias and compare them with Watchtower teachings and practices of the Rutherford era to see if this "worldly" organization played any part in shaping any Watchtower teachings from the Rutherford era that have survived to this date. That would be something that would send shivers of cognitive dissonance down the spine of the most indoctrinated JW.